{"id":39551,"date":"2022-10-18T06:51:04","date_gmt":"2022-10-18T06:51:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/?p=39551"},"modified":"2022-10-18T06:51:04","modified_gmt":"2022-10-18T06:51:04","slug":"erdoganin-kader-soylemine-tepki-bunu-tekrar-yasamak-kader-olamaz","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/?p=39551","title":{"rendered":"Erdo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n \u2018kader\u2019 s\u00f6ylemine tepki: Bunu tekrar ya\u015famak kader olamaz"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>Bart\u0131n\u2019da meydana gelen maden facias\u0131nda 41 i\u015f\u00e7i hayat\u0131n\u0131 kaybetti. Soma facias\u0131 i\u00e7in &#8220;f\u0131trat&#8221; diyen Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131 ve AKP Genel Ba\u015fkan\u0131 Erdo\u011fan ya\u015fanan bu facia i\u00e7in de &#8216;kader plan\u0131&#8217; ifadesini kulland\u0131. Vatanda\u015flar ise bu a\u00e7\u0131klamaya tepki g\u00f6sterdi, &#8220;Bir tane kaza ya\u015fad\u0131k &#8216;Kader&#8217; dedik. Ama 3-5 tane arka arkaya gelen kazaya &#8216;Kader&#8217; diyemeyiz. Soma&#8217;da 301 i\u015f\u00e7imizi kaybettikten sonra tekrar bunu ya\u015famak kader olabilir mi?&#8221; diye sordu. <\/b><\/p>\n<p><strong>Kamera: Ali Selim YAMANLI\/S\u00d6ZC\u00dc\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Bart\u0131n Amasra\u2019da T\u00fcrkiye Ta\u015fk\u00f6m\u00fcr\u00fc Kurumu Amasra M\u00fcessese M\u00fcd\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc&#8217;nde 14 Ekim&#8217;de saat 18.15 sular\u0131nda meydana gelen maden facias\u0131nda hayat\u0131n\u0131 kaybeden 41 maden i\u015f\u00e7isinin ard\u0131ndan, maden oca\u011f\u0131na ili\u015fkin ge\u00e7mi\u015f y\u0131llarda yay\u0131nlanan raporlar ortaya \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131.<\/p>\n<p>Say\u0131\u015ftay TTK 2019 Y\u0131l\u0131 Denetim Raporu&#8217;nda, Amasra M\u00fcessese M\u00fcd\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc\u2019ne ba\u011fl\u0131 madende patlaman\u0131n ya\u015fand\u0131\u011f\u0131 derinlikte ani gaz degaj\u0131 ve grizu patlama riskinin artt\u0131\u011f\u0131 konusunda uyar\u0131 yap\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 tespit edildi. Ancak t\u00fcm bunlara ra\u011fmen ya\u015fanan ac\u0131 olay\u0131 Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131 ve AKP Genel Ba\u015fkan\u0131 Recep Tayyip Erdo\u011fan \u2018kader\u2019 olarak de\u011ferlendirdi.<\/p>\n<p>Patlaman\u0131n ya\u015fand\u0131\u011f\u0131 maden oca\u011f\u0131n\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcnde a\u00e7\u0131klamada bulunan Erdo\u011fan, \u201cBirileri bununla dalgas\u0131n\u0131 ge\u00e7ebilir ama \u00f6nemli de\u011fil, biz kader plan\u0131na inanm\u0131\u015f insanlar\u0131z. Kader plan\u0131na inand\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z i\u00e7in bunun ne d\u00fcn\u00fc bug\u00fcn\u00fc ne de yar\u0131n\u0131 olmayacakt\u0131r bunlar her zaman olacakt\u0131r bunu da bilmemiz laz\u0131m\u201d dedi.<\/p>\n<p>Erdo\u011fan, Soma&#8217;da 301 i\u015f\u00e7inin ya\u015fam\u0131n\u0131 yitirdi\u011fi maden facias\u0131 i\u00e7in de \u201cf\u0131trat\u201d demi\u015fti.<\/p>\n<p>Uluslararas\u0131 \u00c7al\u0131\u015fma \u00d6rg\u00fct\u00fc\u2019n\u00fcn 2019-2021 d\u00f6neminde maden kazalar\u0131nda ya\u015fam\u0131n\u0131 yitiren i\u015f\u00e7i say\u0131s\u0131 raporuna g\u00f6re ise T\u00fcrkiye 189 i\u015f\u00e7i \u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcyle zirvede yer al\u0131yor.<\/p>\n<p>Biz de Bak\u0131rk\u00f6y\u2019de halka mikrofon uzatt\u0131k, \u201cBunu \u2018kader\u2019, \u2018f\u0131trat\u2019 olarak a\u00e7\u0131klamak do\u011fru mu, mant\u0131kl\u0131 m\u0131?\u201d diye sorduk.<\/p>\n<p>Verilen yan\u0131tlar \u015f\u00f6yle oldu:<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cB\u00d6YLE B\u0130R ANLAYI\u015e OLAMAZ\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>G\u00fcrsel Devrim Yim<\/strong>: \u201cHi\u00e7bir \u015fekilde do\u011fru de\u011fil. Bunu din bilginleri a\u00e7\u0131kl\u0131yor, b\u00f6yle bir anlay\u0131\u015f yoktur, b\u00f6yle bir mantalite olamaz. Biz sorumluluklar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 yerine getirmeden i\u015fi Allah\u2019a havale etmek, bir bak\u0131ma sorumlulu\u011fu Allah\u2019a y\u00fcklemek herhalde en b\u00fcy\u00fck g\u00fcnahlardan birisi olsa gerek.<\/p>\n<p>Ben size en b\u00fcy\u00fck k\u00f6t\u00fcl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc yapay\u0131m, g\u00f6revlerimi yerine getirmeyeyim sonra da \u2018Ne yapal\u0131m? Allah\u2019\u0131n takdiri bu, kader.\u2019 diyeyim. O zaman birisi cinayet i\u015fledi\u011finde, birisini \u00f6ld\u00fcrd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcnde, bir gen\u00e7 k\u0131za tecav\u00fcz etti\u011finde \u2018Kader bu\u2019 anlay\u0131\u015f\u0131 ile mi hareket edelim? Gen\u00e7lerimizi bu sakat anlay\u0131\u015fla kesinlikle yeti\u015ftirmememiz gerekir. Ama devlet y\u00f6netiminde b\u00f6yle bir anlay\u0131\u015f olursa o zaman \u00e7ok k\u00f6t\u00fc olur, toplum olarak bunun cezas\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7ekeriz.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i01.sozcucdn.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/18\/447b892c-e026-48e1-8f34-6ac4c111f3f4.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cARKA ARKAYA GELEN KAZAYA KADER D\u0130YEMEY\u0130Z\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>H\u00fcseyin Boztepe:<\/strong> \u201cBence mant\u0131\u011f\u0131 yok, do\u011fru de\u011fil. Kadere tabii ki inanaca\u011f\u0131z ama tedbir almak zorunday\u0131z. \u00d6rne\u011fin; evimden \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131m Bak\u0131rk\u00f6y\u2019e gelece\u011fim. Bak\u0131rk\u00f6y\u2019e gelene kadar bir\u00e7ok \u015fey ya\u015fayabilirim. Arac\u0131mla geldim ama yine de tedbir almak zorunday\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p>Kendi hatamla kaza yapt\u0131m ve hayat\u0131m\u0131 kaybettim, bunu nas\u0131l kadere ba\u011flayaca\u011f\u0131z? Bunun siyasi ve b\u00fcrokratik olarak \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm yollar\u0131na bakmak laz\u0131m. Bir tane kaza ya\u015fad\u0131k \u2018Kader\u2019 dedik. Ama 3-5 tane arka arkaya gelen kazaya \u2018Kader\u2019 diyemeyiz. Soma\u2019da 301 i\u015f\u00e7imizi kaybettikten sonra tekrar bunu ya\u015famak kader olabilir mi? Olamaz.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cBEN F\u0130NLAND\u0130YA\u2019DA YA\u015eIYORUM, ORADA BU T\u0130P KAZALAR \u0130K\u0130NC\u0130YE YA\u015eANMIYOR\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Elif Alben:<\/strong> \u201cBana g\u00f6re de\u011fil, gerekli \u00f6nlemlerin \u00e7ok k\u0131s\u0131tl\u0131 oldu\u011funu g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz. Ben Finlandiya\u2019da ya\u015f\u0131yorum. Orada bu tip kazalar bir kez oluyor, ikince kez olmuyor izin vermiyorlar.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i01.sozcucdn.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/18\/119c7f6c-567d-49fd-9285-6e7b7e413750.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cBU KAZALARIN \u00d6N\u00dcNE GE\u00c7\u0130LEB\u0130L\u0130R\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Dilek Kalafat:<\/strong> \u201cHay\u0131r bence de\u011fil. Bu kazada maden oca\u011f\u0131nda hayat\u0131n\u0131 kaybedenler \u00e7o\u011fu gen\u00e7. Gen\u00e7ler asgari \u00fccret ile ge\u00e7inemedikleri maden ocaklar\u0131nda \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmak durumunda kal\u0131yorlar. Benim ailemde de maden oca\u011f\u0131nda \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan var, ama emekli oldu. Bu tip kazalar\u0131n, \u00f6l\u00fcmlerin \u00f6n\u00fcne ge\u00e7ilebilir. G\u00f6\u00e7\u00fcklerde \u00f6nlem al\u0131nabilir, bence burada ihmal var.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cAKLINI KULLANMAYANLAR KADER \u0130LE \u0130NSANLARIN \u00d6L\u00dcM\u00dcN\u00dc \u00d6ZDE\u015eLE\u015eT\u0130R\u0130YOR\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Talat Y\u0131lmaz<\/strong>: \u201cAllah ak\u0131l vermi\u015f onu kullanmam\u0131z gerekiyor. Onu kullanamayan insanlar kaderi, insanlar\u0131n \u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc ile \u00f6zde\u015fle\u015ftiriyor\u2026 Kader: \u0130nsan\u0131n akl\u0131, beyni, fikridir. \u00d6nlemini alm\u0131yorsun ondan sonra \u2018Kader\u2019 diyorsun. Ben bunu kabul etmiyorum.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cYOLA ATLAYIP ARABANIN ALTINDA KALSAM BUNA KADER D\u0130YEMEM\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Nahit Sayar:<\/strong> \u201cTedbir al\u0131nd\u0131\u011f\u0131 zaman kaza b\u00fcy\u00fck bir ihtimalle bertaraf edilir ama al\u0131nmazsa kaza meydana gelir. Dinimizde kadere inanmak vard\u0131r ama \u00f6nleminizi alacaks\u0131n\u0131z. \u00d6nlem, tedbir almadan buna kader diyemeyiz. Ben yola atlay\u0131p araban\u0131n alt\u0131nda kalsam buna kader diyemem.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i01.sozcucdn.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/18\/7be5896b-9f99-4163-b8a3-118517370a7a.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cBUNU FITRAT \u0130LE A\u00c7IKLAYAB\u0130LECEK TEK K\u0130\u015e\u0130 CUMHURBA\u015eKANI\u2026\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00d6mer Ba\u015fta\u015f:<\/strong> \u201cBunu kaderle, f\u0131tratla a\u00e7\u0131klayacak bir ki\u015fi var o da Say\u0131n Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131m\u0131z Recep Tayyip Erdo\u011fan\u2026 Bilmiyorum vicdan\u0131 el veriyor mu? \u00d6nlem al\u0131nsa b\u00f6yle olmazd\u0131. Her olay\u0131n sonunda da \u2018En gerekli tedbirleri alaca\u011f\u0131z.\u2019 diyor. Ama kazalar olmaya devam ediyor\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cTEKNOLOJ\u0130Y\u0130 YEN\u0130LEMEDEN BU KAZALARIN \u00d6N\u00dcNE GE\u00c7EMEZS\u0130N\u0130Z\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Arslan Atal\u0131:<\/strong> \u201c\u0130\u015f\u00e7i \u00f6l\u00fcmlerini kader ile a\u00e7\u0131klayamazs\u0131n\u0131z. Neden Almanya\u2019da olmuyor? Almanya\u2019da bizden daha fazla k\u00f6m\u00fcr ocaklar\u0131 var. Bel\u00e7ika\u2019da bizden daha \u00e7ok k\u00f6m\u00fcr ocaklar\u0131 var. Bel\u00e7ika\u2019da 63 sene \u00f6nce bir i\u015f kazas\u0131 olmu\u015f. 63 senedir bir i\u015f kazas\u0131 meydana gelmiyor.<\/p>\n<p>T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de neden bu tip kazalar oluyor? Ben maden y\u00fcksek m\u00fchendisiyim. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de k\u00f6m\u00fcr madeni ocaklar\u0131 \u00e7ok eski teknoloji ile donat\u0131lm\u0131\u015f ve teknoloji yenilenmemi\u015f. Teknolojiyi yenilemedikten sonra ocaklardaki sistemi yenilemedikten sonra i\u015f kazalar\u0131n\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcne ge\u00e7emezsiniz. Bunun i\u00e7in yat\u0131r\u0131m gerekli, bu yat\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 da T\u00fcrkiye Ta\u015fk\u00f6m\u00fcr\u00fc Kurumu\u2019nun yapmas\u0131 gerekir. E\u011fer bu yat\u0131r\u0131mlar\u0131 yapmazsan\u0131z kazalar\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcne ge\u00e7emezsiniz.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bart\u0131n\u2019da meydana gelen maden facias\u0131nda 41 i\u015f\u00e7i hayat\u0131n\u0131 kaybetti. Soma facias\u0131 i\u00e7in &#8220;f\u0131trat&#8221; diyen Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131 ve AKP Genel Ba\u015fkan\u0131 Erdo\u011fan &#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":39552,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[26],"tags":[266,419,1719,282,1146],"class_list":["post-39551","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-gundem","tag-bunu","tag-isci","tag-kader","tag-kaza","tag-maden"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39551","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=39551"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39551\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":39553,"href":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39551\/revisions\/39553"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/39552"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=39551"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=39551"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/haberulus.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=39551"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}